Chris with his loaded Salsa Beargrease (29" wheelset); and my RollingDale custom Ti Pinion/CarbonDrive 29'er, with Bikepackers Foundry bags and rear rack. The bike on the right weighs 60-65# with food and 2 litres of water. Chris's is a similar weight. We both carry all our gear on the bikes without backpacks. (2 times -10 degrees Celcius camping, and packraft with full safety kit. We share no gear)