Rode with Ted from West Hills up Valley Circle to Santa Susana and up the back side of Box Cnyn and returned on Valley Circle to Mulholland Dr. to Valmar/Old Topanga to Muholland Hwy, out to Cold Cnyn and across to Piuma Rd and Ted liked going downhill so much (or SO wanted to avoid going back uphill) that he blew right by Schueren Rd and (with his ear buds-he didn't hear me yelling at him, even though a lady walking her dogs got up on the sidewalk because she heard me yelling, and said I was the loudest bicyclist ever) he didn't stop until he had taken Ramblo Pacifica down to the "Road Closed" barricades (which stop the cars from taking Ramblo Pacifica down to PCH) at Las Flores Cnyn Rd., so Ted ended up with EXTRA climbing to get back to Schueren and up to Stunt Rd. Ted beat me down Stunt Rd; while I caught up at a set of tight turns I couldn't pass until we reached rollers and the bottom, and he re-passed me without any problem. >:-[ NB: We took the 2 mile section of Dry Cnyn Cold Creek Cnyn, which Ted calls 7 min. hill, both directions; it is 8 min 22 seconds hill for me with a 14.3 mph avg speed and a 174 bpm average heart rate for the two mile stretch on the return trip.