Rode up to Mt. Lukens with Chuck, but he did not want to descend Haines Canyon, probably because of the long ride back to the cars off of Palm. Still some sections going up Earl Canyon that are a little too technical for me, but not by much. The descent on Haines Canyon is hard on my wrists because I am on the brakes so much due to all the rocks, but there is nothing too tricky for me on that descent. This is still a great route. Metrics for the two sections of climbing (per Chuck's request): Earl Canyon from creek bed to fork with Mt Lukens Truck Trail: > 3.4 mi > + 1929' / -0' > avg. grade 11.0% (max 19.5%?) > 01:09:50 durataion / 00:56:19 moving / 00:13:31 stopped Mt Lukens Truck Trail from Earl Canyon to summit: > 3.7 mi > + 1284' / - 42' > avg grade 8.1% > 00:48:44 duration / 00:47:35 moving / 00:01:09 stopped In addition, there is the descent and the return to the cars on paved roads: Descent of Haines Canyon: 5.5 mi +0' / - 2758' avg grade: -9.9% So, these negative numbers would be positive if the direction of this ride was reversed, of course. Return to Palm on paved roads: 5.9 mi + 511' / - 907' 32:13 total time