Rode with Paul F. Fun time. I worked really hard up the road along PIR. Then we pushed a bit into Estrella, stopping off at the visitor center for a water/RR break. As we got close to the turn in the south end of Estrella Paul noticed a group of about 15 cyclists getting close to us. We guessed it was the B group of West Valley. As we came around the south loop and were back by the park, there was the group coming the opposite direction and we turned together toward the park and down lavender. That was Cheryl, Wray and few other B groupers. Then they turned right on Westar and Paul and I went left toward the big hill. As we were cresting Westar Paul noticed another group coming up behind. That was the other faster B group remnant of West Valley ( Lisa, Lisa, Dave, etc). We let them go straight at the elementary school as we turned east. Fun time! This was Paul's first ride on this route.